The Journey of Shaun Stockman: Overcoming Fear, Dependence, and Finding True Success

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well, hey everybody and welcome to how to be a real one percenter. It's a podcast where we're redefining what it means to be a one percenter. No longer the obsessive pursuit of some sort of success at the cost of everything else. It's about having all the success that we want but also living a real genuine life and that's both externally having everything we want and internally just really enjoying and loving our experience of life.

So, I couldn't be more delighted to invite or have our guest today, Shaun Stockman. Shaun, firstly just thank you very much for being here. You'll all know Shaun if you're in the Christchurch area, and know anything property, then Shaun Stockman is obviously going to be a very familiar name. It's got so much to do with property development and investing in Christchurch. Just one of the most well-known people in that arena here. So, Shaun, thanks for being here. Really delighted and thank you for taking the time and joining us on the podcast. ‍

SHAUN STOCKMAN: Thank you, Sridhar. Great to be here. ‍

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well, Shaun, we've spoken a little bit about this. We didn't want to set too much up, but this podcast is really about, you know, there's after I had my turnaround in life, and I was at a low with drug problems and homelessness and various things as you would know my story. I had a turnaround moment, and I knew that there was more to life, and I wanted to start absorbing and becoming a sponge to learn everything I could about living my best life. And a lot of it I learned at the beginning was, sounded really good but wasn't really effective. It didn't work for me. And then I got really discerning and just wanted to find things that really, really worked. And over the last 30 years, I've amassed what I call the hidden keys to success, which is what, you know, I work with these concepts in the work that we do.  And you and I have been working together for a wee while now. ‍

SHAUN STOCKMAN: 10 plus months. ‍

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah, just got going on a year now, isn't it?

‍SHAUN STOCKMAN: Yes.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: And so, I thought, you know, well, what better way to share? Because I would love for people to get these concepts. I mean, when I learned them, I didn't know them. And I didn't know these kinds of secrets of life, if you will, that we could apply and get results. And I'd love to share that with other people. And I thought, well, what better way to do that than the people I work with rather than just trying to say to them, you know, what's happened in your life. So, again, it means a lot to me that you're here and willing to share it. And if I can throw you in the deep end, I would just say, well, what's something that you would share? You know, what's an insight? Or what part of the work has meant something to you and that you might be able to share with people that could make a difference for them? ‍

SHAUN STOCKMAN: I think it would have to be the work on the mind. And previous to working with you, I'd have to say I didn't do a lot of work on the mind. I did some work, but not a lot of work. And I didn't really understand a lot of how the mind worked and how the past influenced your mind and influenced your thinking. And it was when you and I, you know, you may recall, you will recall that I initially came to you because I had an issue with alcohol. And I woke up one morning and I realized, you know, this is 17 years of this going on with interims in the middle to stop. And at the time I was working with another agency, and it wasn't working. I wasn't dealing with it. And I got referred to you and I came to you. And within three or four months, we'd nailed that issue.

And then you gave me the option to stop. And I said, no, I want to carry on with the work, because the work is actually benefiting me on all levels of my life, you know, marriage-wise, business-wise, relationships with people, how you interact with people, how you think, how you deal with stress, and those types of things. I'm really grateful for the, you know, for the work we've done together and the impact it's had on my life.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well, thank you for sharing that. And so, what would you say, like you said that, you know, you had this problem and, you know, first of all, thank you for your honesty here, because, you know, you're such a successful person. And, you know, we just, sometimes we look at successful people and we think, well, just everything's always together, right? And it must be hard for you to have that be put on you too, when, you know, there's stresses that come with what you do and just life in general. So firstly, thanks for, you know, your candidness and sharing that, like, it just makes a difference to so many people when, with that level of honesty.

So, and the question I have for you is, so you said that, you know, you were doing some things that weren't working, what would you say was the thing that, or the things, you know, what would you say is something that made a difference for you in terms of the, so let's say the original, the original thing that we started talking about, which was the alcohol, the drinking, what would you say did it for you in helping you to stop doing that?

SHAUN STOCKMAN: It was understanding why you picked up a drink, understanding the full reason why you picked up a drink and going back in time and realizing when it started and why it started and dealing with that why to deal with it. If you don't deal with that why, because anyone can stop eating, anyone can stop drinking, but if you don't deal with the issue that caused it, it's going to keep reoccurring and coming back. And, as I said, you know, within probably three or four months, we had, we actually had it nailed. And I hadn't been able to nail it. I'd spent, I'd had gaps, previous gaps where, you know, over the 17 years of drinking reasonably heavy, you know, I realized I had a problem and I would, you know, sometimes start on a Monday, I'm not having a drink till Thursday and I'd get till Tuesday and, you're back there. And it's understanding why.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: And without getting, you know, getting too personal, what did you discover? Like in the general area, what did you discover about the why? What was the, or do you remember? It's been a wee while ago.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: Yeah, there was several things in the mix and part of it was a coping mechanism. Part of it was also, but a fear-based thing, you know, where I actually believed that, you know, I could lose everything. And I had that fear. So, I would, you know, that the alcohol would take you away from your day-to-day issues. You'd almost get home and rinse yourself. And that's sort of how it rolled. And it wasn't till you deal with those, there's the fear. And we went through that process. Is that true? Lots of steps. No, it's not true. Here's all the reasons why it's not true. And then we went, you know, through the next phase of the coping stuff. And that's where the mind came in, where you realize that on a day-to-day basis, everyone doesn't have a million-dollar day.

And it doesn't matter what your occupation is in life, whether you're working, retired or whatever, you don't, everyone doesn't have a wonderful day, but it's how you deal with those issues that pop up. It's that mind training mindset, that deals with them, that gets you through them, that gives you the ability to cope. Otherwise, you were trying to just put fires out all day and it gets tiring. And you know, you can cope with it at a level and I'm a high functioning person. I do 50 to 60 hours a week, most weeks and love it, but it does get tiring.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah. Especially when you're dealing with the kind of stresses that you have in the property industry and, you know, can be dealing with some big things on a frequent basis. Something we've spoken about a lot, Shaun, is that we have, you know, that we have these stories that we don't necessarily know that we have. Like, might be interesting for people to hear, because, you know, anyone in the Christchurch region would have an idea of how, just how successful you are and, you know, to hear that there's a fear. It's just such gold for people to see because, you know, at some point, most of us feel like we shouldn't have that anymore. But to hear that, you know, that there's a fear of losing everything, like no matter how much you gather, and how much you get. That fear that was there at the beginning, doesn't necessarily go away and it can eat at us and it’s just, again I want to say thanks for that honesty of that.

And then that fear can, even though, like, you know, you've come as far as you have, that initial fear, which we now know is just based on a thought, as you said, we investigated, is it true and you found out, well, there wasn't any truth to it at all. And there just wasn't any fear, but it's there, isn't it? Like, year after year after year. We may not even know that it's there, but it's there. And it's, that's what's causing all the stress. It's not, well, not maybe all of it, but it's causing a lot of the stress. And you often said, well, we have things that become a problem like drinking, or for me, it was drugs, or it could be eating or whatever the case might be. It's because we're trying to cover up some sort of pain. And that pain, I think what you're saying is that pain you discovered was just really mental. It wasn't anything to do with, say, reality, but something that you were potentially projecting onto reality. Would you say that that's...

SHAUN STOCKMAN: That is 100% correct. That was 100% correct. We had the, you know, there's always some sort of crisis going on in the world, but we had the global financial crisis, you know, in 2007. Before that, we had the Asian crisis in the late 90s. We've had COVID and all the nonsense that went with that. And that was a really stressful time. You know, the world was upside down. You know, I sat at home, just thought, man, this is all over. You know, I think I'd have a different mindset today to that with the training that we've had and the work that we've done. But it's those types of events that reinstate that fear when you've got it. And it's that working on your mind that I'm here, this is reality. I'm present in the moment. And we've got through this before, and we've got through it again, and we'll get through it again. ‍

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah. And yeah, it's just, if we don't do that, it could just bring everything back. And it's interesting that it goes back to that early time. It's not that it's something new is happening because the situation is coming up. It's a regurgitation, isn't it, of that thing in the past. But so, what's it like? Because I know that we've done some work and, you know, we did investigate it. And I could see that you just really woke up to, well, there's just no truth to this whatsoever. Like, it's just not a possibility, is it, really? And so, what's that? Can you describe what it's like? Like, when you come out of that, A, well, did that just do it for you? After that, was that less like, okay, don't need to have the drink anymore because this is gone? Or how did it work for you?

SHAUN STOCKMAN: I understood what was causing it. And I found that that's transferred through to other areas in my life of freeing up the way I think and the way I react to stuff. That's absolutely been huge. The fear thing, when I think about it, goes back quite a way. I got married quite young. I was 18 when I got married. And, you know, we moved into the house, bought a house, moved in, and used to put the milk bottles out in those days. And I said to my wife, have you got some money for milk? She said, no, I've got no money for milk. I've got no money, didn't have credit cards in 1978 and we idled the car to work. Because we only had enough fuel just to get us to Thursday and we had no milk, and I think that was one of those things where the fear starts. Where I haven't got enough.

In reality you have, but I don't have enough and I think as we've trained and gone through some of that stuff I've found that in areas of my life I've got more financial freedom and you can have hundreds of millions of dollars and not have financial freedom and that's something I've never understood.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: That's a really important point, isn't it?

SHAUN STOCKMAN: Very important point.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Because without the mental freedom there's no financial freedom like if we're still coming out of that and you know to put some light to that, I don't know that we spoke about it. Because we were in the mix of it, when we were doing our work, and it was focused. But what happens in those times that you know with the milk and that it's such a person, like you said something really interesting Shaun that in actuality you had enough, which is really interesting when you think about it. But when the mind goes to, I don't have enough in that scenario, it's such a powerful moment that the mind wants to record it for all time. Like never forget this because you never want to be in this position where you don't have the milk. Because it's not about the milk, it's the mind saying, hey I don't have enough to survive here, and this is not a good position. This is a terrible position and it actually, our minds record that, this is what I've discovered is that our minds subconsciously record that story in an attempt to never get there again.

But as you're saying you have; you know how much success you have achieved. But that story just doesn't want to go and it's a really powerful thing you're saying right now. Because there can't be any freedom as long as that story is still part of the mix. So, is there anything more you can say about, because people might say well did you just ask a question? is it true? I know it was a while ago for this one, but is there any more you can say about what was it about that process that helped you to snap out of that and to the point where you just went, hey that's just never going to happen and I can move forward.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: I think it was just as we worked through some of those questions about the you ran through them with me and said, you know, is this going to happen? Is this going to happen? You know, will you, is it really reality that you'll go broke? You know, no, it's not and I hadn't actually, I'd always had that mindset. I guess that you know when I was in my late teens, and I got married and money was short at the time. For one of the better words, it's stained my DNA. Like you said that the mind took it on board and registered it as a real alert. And you know in the years that followed, in my early 20s I had a car yard that was very successful, and I started to buy property at that stage. I was 24, I had a house on the Kashmir Hill.

Thinking back then, there was always that thought that I could lose that. That I could end up that, you know, that teen again with no money, that thought was always there. And I really, honestly could say, I haven't really had financial freedom over the years. Although I could go and buy the car that I want if I wanted to or holiday or do whatever. But I actually haven't had that real financial freedom.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well as long as we're fearing that we're going to lose it, which is I mean Shaun, this is everyone. This is what we, this is you know, when we get successful, whatever ways that we do you know, a really interesting question here is, what's driving that? like do we get born for example thinking, I have to be number one at something or I have, you know, I have to make sure I have enough, like a child doesn't think that way.

So, something occurs in life for the first time like when you're saying about 18 and then that's when that story happens and then from then on, it's like that, we believe that we actually need that story to perform. But I think what you're saying here is, not only is that, not true. But when you have that story, you don't actually get to enjoy what you're creating anyway.  Because the fear is always there, kind of you know, I know that from my own personal self too. It's always just there.

Like do you remember the game Pac-man? I don't know if I'm dating myself here, but it was a game where the yellow big, gobbled the dots. Yeah? Yeah, you remember it. And you had the ones chasing, like that's what it's like, isn't it? and so now, I think you've probably said it. But what so what's it like, so I assume to say now that just, I think you're done with that right? that fear is just not something that's in your in your space now?

‍SHAUN STOCKMAN: No, it's not. No, it's not you know obviously very conscious of assets and money and what I've got, and I believe I'm very blessed to have what I've got, and I want to look after it. But like a lot of successful people, you get to the, you get to that plateau of life where you're deemed successful, and success isn't money. You know, always people talk about net worth, but they never talk about, you know, net peace of mind or net content and I think it's about for me, it's about celebrating what I've got and looking after what I've got. But also realizing that I've got it for a reason and a purpose, and I don't want to be that person that just keeps going back to where I started from. Cause a lot of people that end up on that plateau of success, so-called success where you've got assets and financial freedom, because the money you've got, they often default back to where they started, and they end up going in a circle. It's never enough, it's never enough. I'm never content. It's never going to be enough; I need more. Because it's that fear-based thing of, I need to pad myself up with as much as I can.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: So, nothing is ever enough in that scenario.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: Never enough, and it is that peace of mind thing again where, you know you'll just drive yourself mad.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: I am going to have to steal this quote, Shaun. Net peace of mind. I'm just going to use that one from now on, I hope you don't mind.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: No that's fine. I'll franchise it for you.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah, net peace of mind I mean really, we talk about net worth, but net peace of mind. Net health and well-being, net sense of feeling, you know you talked about earlier, what about net freedom? Net feeling of that freedom to enjoy the experience. Because you know my personal experience is, because I've had it too. If we have that fear, we don't really enjoy it, do we? We don't just enjoy the experience, there's always that fear, that's there waiting to, what's the next thing that's going to happen to, you know to lose it.

And something I'm always saying is that, if we're afraid to lose it do, we really have it in the first place? and you know it's something to take deeply. But I knew for myself that when I was afraid of losing, everything which I've had that, as well I didn't have it in the first place. Because I wasn't really present to it and enjoying it and I didn't have that net peace of mind you know, that's really at the end of the day be interested in your thoughts on this. You know, what's more valuable? You know we know that you have just done so incredibly in the, in the property business and you know one of the most successful people in the entire community. But what would you say in comparison of that to net peace of mind? what’s is, I know that that's become a focus for you, possibly before the last year. But certainly, over the last year, what would you say?

SHAUN STOCKMAN: I think if you've got net peace of mind and you've got, you've got that good peace of mind, you will do well anyway. I've found in my business since we've been working together, that there's a lot of stuff that I've applied, that we've done, work that we've done that's actually improved my business. I'm spending a lot more time now working on my business, instead of working in my business and I've done that for years. Because I started here, you know, down here and you know, it's hard to let go of some of those things. But I've found that you know we had that discussion about don't do drudgy things. If it's a drudgy job, don't do it, do what you love to do. And what I love to do is create stuff and make stuff happen.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah, it's about really identifying that, isn't it? It’s identifying what are those pieces of it that we love to do and focus on that. So, what's that feeling like to you now? what's it like to be focused more on that.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: It's a whole different, and honestly say in my, I've been in property 40 years, it's 40 years ago I bought my first, investment property at 24. So, it's 40 years. So, I've been in business of a fashion, I was a car dealer when I was 22 and so I've been in business a long time and it can be tough. You know you can get knocked around, you can get bruised, you can get, you know, economic cycles that come and go and those types of things. But I can honestly say that at this chapter of my life with working with you, the stuff that I've learned is absolutely key. I honestly wish I had learned it learned it 40 years ago.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well, so what's and another thing that you would share with people, like what’s, what’s something that you would share with them from that, that could make a difference for them. Say they're a businessperson and want to, you know want to get a, have a piece of what you've got. What's something that that's made a difference?

SHAUN STOCKMAN: I've always been passionate about what I've done. I've always enjoyed what I've done. I've always been dedicated to it. But as I say, 40 years, it gets tough and you've got to take the things that you don't enjoy, you've got to take them away. You've got to, you know, allocate them to somebody else and let go of them and do the stuff that you want to do, not the stuff you don't want to do. You've obviously got to do the productive stuff. The productive stuff, the creative stuff you've got to do it. And in the process, the peace of mind is, I've thought about this a lot that, you know, let's say whether you're retired or flat out working, not everybody has peace of mind. I'd suggest and we've discussed it, but probably less than one percent of people have true peace of mind and that's about how you let the mess in your mind, mess you up, that you don't. If you deal with, if you have, everyone has problems, you're always going to have problems. But I am that take away your peace of mind, but if you've got the tools and the ability to deal with those issues in your mind, you have peace of mind.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: You get back there pretty quickly.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: You get back there pretty quickly. You might get a jolt; you might get a jolt. You might lose your peace of mind for a bit, but you'll process it, and your mind will process it and you'll go yep, I know how I'm going to deal with that and based on, based on, based on, I can deal with it.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah, I know in the past like that would, you know, things like that would have taken me out for weeks or months, you know, I would have gone into a cycle of, you know, a downward cycle, possibly even depression and you know stepping out of it a month later. Whereas now, you know, with the tools you and say, hey, I've got something going on. Let me get on top of that now. Because I don't want to lose any more precious time of, you know, of having that peace of mind. Life is too short to be to not be enjoying it and yeah, to not be stressed.

Well, I remember you said to me recently, when we were speaking that, you know, there was something going on, we won't talk about it too much personally. But something the fact there was something going on in your life and it was going on and on, and you just got present to what was important, and you just got really communicative with everyone and said Hey, this is what needs to happen. And you know, like, I think you said to me something like, go back to the very beginning piece of it and say, here's where we went wrong. Let's get, I know we don't want to, it involves people. But it's just that type of thing, isn't it? like, it's like going to, going to it and saying, this could go on and on and on and keep getting blown up or I don't really want to spend my time on smaller priority things and yeah, I don't hopefully that's, that was something okay to talk about.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: That was, no, yeah look that was, that was interesting and that's another one of the tools that I've learned. I sometimes don't communicate well. I'm quite a deep thinker and I don't communicate well with people. I'll get something and I'll sit on it. I'll, you know, and I'll work out how I'm going to reply to it and sometimes I'm not very clear,  and we, I was having this issue and we caught up and you said, how's it going? and I said oh, I've got this problem and I've got that problem and you know people are just going in circles and I'm just getting really frustrated with it. And I told you the scenario and you just in a poker face just said to me, you're the cause of it. You are the cause of it and when I rationalized it, I was the cause of it. I went back through the email thread, and I was the cause of it. So, I got present to the moment, and I sent an email back out and I communicated really well, and I said, this is the position, this is the scenario. This is where we're at and this is what we're doing. And it stopped all the nonsense.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well, I remember you just saying it, just saved all that and it saved you time. Yeah, I'm really big on that Shaun. Like it's a big thing to say, but you know, and it's something I particularly work with leaders in, but anyone can apply to. Because I mean, somebody's, everybody's leading something, whether it be a family or business or something. It's a big thing for people to get, but how am I the cause, this is the question that I posted. How am I the cause of what's going on and it's such a, people just go, no it's their fault. They're doing it, what do you mean how am I the cause of it? But when we actually stop and say, because something that I learned that I'm just so thankful for every day is that, I'm the cause of the way my life is showing up for me and even if other people are involved and I think that's what I asked you say, hey how are you causing this, I think was quite confronting.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: It was.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: But, like you always are Shaun, it's just such a joy to work with you, because you're just up for anything and you are, you know this is where that really, that deep thinking really serves. Because you took it in and you said well, how am I causing it and I think the great thing that you're sharing is that, how long could that have gone on for and how much of your precious time could that have continued to basically take from you. And I remember you just saying to me, it's done. Like you know, got, went back, found it and communicated powerfully and I think that sorted that out. Yeah, so that's really inspiring stuff and you know, life is, it is short in the big scheme of things and I'm really big on, you know, are we loving every minute of it? You know, I think about, you know, you do something that's just so wonderful in terms of your work and I know other aspects of your life are important to you as well.

And to mention that you know, you’re just such a really good guy. That's one of the reasons I love working with you and just somebody that's, you know, you're just somebody who genuinely cares about people and I think sometimes people look at really successful people and they go oh, you know, put them in a camp and you’re just somebody who's, there's so many different facets. And I think you would agree with me that it's just important to love. It's like, are we loving every minute? There's so many great things to do with our time in life and how much of it, I think you're really seeing it more and more now. How much of it do we just spend in just frivolous, low priority things that suck up our time and yeah, kind of waste it versus, versus loving every minute of it and yeah, I think  that's what I'm hearing from you is that,  you're moving more in that direction.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: Yes, and that's one of the, that's the work that we've done in that, we talked about Drudge. Your word Drudge, at the time and it is, we can all end up in those drudgy situations and if you just keep doing them, they'll just multiply and every drudgy job that you do is time spent on, time sucked away from a job that you really want to do, that you love doing. And also, that productive side of your business that, you know, property, whether you're in property or you're in business, whatever you're in, there's always tweaks that you can do. You can tweak that, tweak that, make that better, make that more efficient, make that better for your clients. If you're not spending, if you're spending time sweeping up [28:43 inaudible], you're not doing that other stuff. It's like money. If you waste a dollar, if you waste a dollar here on something, that's a dollar you can't spend on something that you really want. ‍

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah. So be thoughtful of it.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: Be thoughtful of it.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: And time you know, it's often said that time is our most precious asset of all, and I can't disagree with that, right. It's our time to actually experience, experience this life and everything that comes along with it.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: Yes, yes, you can give away your time so easily to, undeserving, unrewarding tasks or people for that matter.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: I hope that's another one that people take and put, write that one down and take it with you. Because it can so easily happen, and we don't see it. But then it just, it just takes that, it just can suck up our life. When you were saying that, like what occurred to me is, I had periods of my life where that was drudgery, was pretty much all just about all I had and with maybe just a few moments of something different. But drudgery was most of it and just low priority things that didn't really matter, that I felt I had to do, or you know, this was a place I was supposed to be and that's just not the way it works, that we get to choose.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: We do get to choose that's the key.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well is there anything else that, when you think about some of the conversations we've had or anything that just you've, you've processed in yourself and come to, is there anything else you would say from to people that,  that either you've experienced or something that could help them, in terms of what could they probably, you've already said a tremendous amount. But just anything else you would want to say to people about, that might help them on their journey of their true one percent life, their greatest life. ‍

SHAUN STOCKMAN: I think part of the key to it is, doing the work on yourself daily. Where you, you know, get up, prepare for the day. Get your mindset right for the day. Think how your day is going to go. It often doesn't go that way. But you've got to think about, this is, this is how I want the day to go. This is, you know, and we always, you know, life's always been about goals and all those things. But I believe that, if you're doing the things that you love and that you want to do and the productive stuff, but that stuff will happen anyway and I've found that in the last, you know, 10 or so months that we've been working together that there's a lot of stuff within my world, business world and personal world that's flourishing as a result of that mindset.

And with the other aspects added into it. Like time, time spent on that, time spent on that.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah, I'm hearing focus is what the way it's coming across to me.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: Focus is key, absolutely focus is key. I've always been organized, quite organized and quite focused. But this is, so the last 10 and a half months that, the focus has become more of the, you know, a lot more on the radar.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Yeah, excellent and is there anything more that you’d, you want to say on about anything?

SHAUN STOCKMAN: I'd just like to extend a big thank you to you for the, for the work that we've done and your patience with me sometimes.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: And yours with me.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: I don't always get it straight away. But I do get there in the end. So yeah, we're going to the big thank you.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Shaun, it's just such a pleasure to work with you and you know, not just because you’re the Shaun Stockman that we all know and that's so successful. But just, you know, in my work I get to know people pretty fast, because we don't spend a lot of time on the surface. We dig pretty deep, pretty fast and we get to know each other pretty well and you know it’s just such an honour to work with you. Because you're just such a genuinely good guy and I, even just today you've said so many things that, are just such gold for people and I hope they take them away. So, yeah, it's a real honour to know you and to get to work with you and I just want to say thanks again for taking your time to be here and sharing uh your literal pearls of wisdom, with us.

It's just been awesome and thank you for coming, being on the podcast and, and sharing everything you have.

SHAUN STOCKMAN: Pleasure, thank you Sridhar.

SRIDHAR KRISHNAMURTI: Well thanks for joining us and we look forward to seeing you, say thanks to our guest Shaun and thank you for watching and we'll see you next time on how to be a real one percenter.